Preacherdannie writes:
so, what was said? was it really racist?
PJHarvey writes:
But, that's the point. You can't make people agree that you are not a racist because you "don't mean to be". It's THEIR decision if you offend, numbskull.
Basil writes:
I guess the Rotary membership door swings out as well as in.
rlockey writes:
If we would learn to ignore instead of making an issue out of nothing, racism might start to wane. Until then, nothing is changing. Ms. Nichols needs to lighten up. If she was offended, it would have been more adult like to simple pull Mr. Johnson aside, privately, afterwards and calming mention to him that he might want to use a different joke next time. Now, how hard would that have really been? Time to grow up and move forward.
jlc_62454#621340 writes:
in response to PJHarvey:
But, that's the point. You can't make people agree that you are not a racist because you "don't mean to be". It's THEIR decision if you offend, numbskull.
You can be offended by anything you choose to be offended by. If we have to live our life trying not to offend someone, then we would all have to just stay home, because some people can be offended by anything.
tkdmavrick#407157 writes:
Mike Tyson is not what one would call a "model citizen", so it is easy to imagine jokes about him. But the story itself doesn't indicate what was said, so people can't form an opinion, as to the comment by Joe Johnson really being racist, or Phyliss Nichols being overly sensitive.
I remember a video clip of a town council somewhere where they were discussing their budget, a while council member used the term "niggardly" referring to someone as "miserly". The black council member got highly offended because he thought the word referred to something racist. Who was ignorant? Should the black guy learn the correct meaning of the word? Should the white guy have beem more "sensitive" because the black guy was ignorant of the correct meaning?
Without further reporting no one can tell what was really said and meant.
Normal writes:
in response to PJHarvey:
But, that's the point. You can't make people agree that you are not a racist because you "don't mean to be". It's THEIR decision if you offend, numbskull.
I am deeply offended by your comment and am reporting it to the authorities.
rlockey writes:
in response to tkdmavrick#407157:
Mike Tyson is not what one would call a "model citizen", so it is easy to imagine jokes about him. But the story itself doesn't indicate what was said, so people can't form an opinion, as to the comment by Joe Johnson really being racist, or Phyliss Nichols being overly sensitive.
I remember a video clip of a town council somewhere where they were discussing their budget, a while council member used the term "niggardly" referring to someone as "miserly". The black council member got highly offended because he thought the word referred to something racist. Who was ignorant? Should the black guy learn the correct meaning of the word? Should the white guy have beem more "sensitive" because the black guy was ignorant of the correct meaning?
Without further reporting no one can tell what was really said and meant.
I'll take that thought further. Regardless of whatever was said, they were just words and meant as a joke. If we all would just Cowboy the xxxx up and grow up, we might move forward. Pitching a fit by storming out and resigning is about as childlike as you can get. Perhaps Ms. Nichols was not mature enough to hold the position she held and maybe now, someone who may be able to move forward will be appointed.
MDAlerts writes:
in response to rlockey:
If we would learn to ignore instead of making an issue out of nothing, racism might start to wane. Until then, nothing is changing. Ms. Nichols needs to lighten up. If she was offended, it would have been more adult like to simple pull Mr. Johnson aside, privately, afterwards and calming mention to him that he might want to use a different joke next time. Now, how hard would that have really been? Time to grow up and move forward.
You can't really tell her to lighten up if you don't know what was said. Also you cannot tell people what they should and should not be offended by. If they are offended, they are offended.
rlockey writes:
in response to MDAlerts:
You can't really tell her to lighten up if you don't know what was said. Also you cannot tell people what they should and should not be offended by. If they are offended, they are offended.
I never said she shouldn't have been offended. Storming off and resigning was childish. This could have and should have been handled more maturely. Offended has different meaning to all of us. Some, like myself, have a high tolerance and some do not. However, since there is no set level, we all need to learn how to handle and calmly inform the offending party how you feel. That is the adult way to handle this situation.
MDAlerts writes:
in response to rlockey:
I'll take that thought further. Regardless of whatever was said, they were just words and meant as a joke. If we all would just Cowboy the xxxx up and grow up, we might move forward. Pitching a fit by storming out and resigning is about as childlike as you can get. Perhaps Ms. Nichols was not mature enough to hold the position she held and maybe now, someone who may be able to move forward will be appointed.
I didn't read anything in the article that indicated she "stormed out" or "pitched a fit". She made a personal decision that this club was not a good fit for her and even paid her respects to the organization as a whole. Calm down.
papabob writes:
in response to rlockey:
If we would learn to ignore instead of making an issue out of nothing, racism might start to wane. Until then, nothing is changing. Ms. Nichols needs to lighten up. If she was offended, it would have been more adult like to simple pull Mr. Johnson aside, privately, afterwards and calming mention to him that he might want to use a different joke next time. Now, how hard would that have really been? Time to grow up and move forward.
rlockey,I agree with you in substance but not in principle.
Untill people learn that negative implications both ethnic and racial are offensive to others,we won't move very far forward.
Maybe some are just too sensitive,but that is just the way life. I would say that many are just too insensitive.
I grew up in a small town with many diferent nationalities and ethnic groups.
The best way to get your chops busted was to denigrate someone because of where their parents or grandparents came from or their manner of speech.The chop busting didn't come from the offended,it came from your parents.
We called it just plain old good manners or courtesy to not carry our prejudices out on the street.That is what seems to be missing here.
Of course that seems to be missing in a great part of our "American" culture. "In your face" is the name of the game today.
"Get over it" is always the answer unless we are the ones told to "get over it."
I would say to Mr Johnson; "This is the twenty first century,not the nineteenth ot early twentieth,so get over it."
rlockey writes:
in response to MDAlerts:
I didn't read anything in the article that indicated she "stormed out" or "pitched a fit". She made a personal decision that this club was not a good fit for her and even paid her respects to the organization as a whole. Calm down.
"Phyllis Y. Nichols walked out after speaker and businessman Joe Johnson made a reference to fighter Mike Tyson and used what she thought was a stereotypical mockery of the black dialect."
This, to me, states that she got up before he finished his speech (or maybe after but left early all the same). It's ok to get offended but we have to effectively communicate the point if we want anything to change.
No need to ask me to calm down, I'm not excited or riled. I'm just voicing an opinion. I'm sorry if you are offended by my opinion or comments. Please feel free to skip over any further posts I may leave on this subject. That will not offend me in the least.
Enjoy your weekend!
stopignorance writes:
"reference to fighter Mike Tyson and used what she considered stereotypical mockery of the black dialect"
IF he was talking like Mike Tyson it was probably more mockery of the female voice! Mike Tyson sounds like a girl or small child when he talks. Everybody makes fun of Mike's voice and it has nothing to do with his skin color!! Its because he is a large male boxer with a female voice!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
rlockey writes:
in response to papabob:
rlockey,I agree with you in substance but not in principle.
Untill people learn that negative implications both ethnic and racial are offensive to others,we won't move very far forward.
Maybe some are just too sensitive,but that is just the way life. I would say that many are just too insensitive.
I grew up in a small town with many diferent nationalities and ethnic groups.
The best way to get your chops busted was to denigrate someone because of where their parents or grandparents came from or their manner of speech.The chop busting didn't come from the offended,it came from your parents.
We called it just plain old good manners or courtesy to not carry our prejudices out on the street.That is what seems to be missing here.
Of course that seems to be missing in a great part of our "American" culture. "In your face" is the name of the game today.
"Get over it" is always the answer unless we are the ones told to "get over it."
I would say to Mr Johnson; "This is the twenty first century,not the nineteenth ot early twentieth,so get over it."
We are in agreement. I myself do not think I could be offended by much of anything said at a meeting not said to be purposely abusive. Then again, that's just me. I was toughened on the streets as a Firefighter/Paramedic (as I am sure you knew) so I know I have a thicker skin than most but many people today have some serious issues with effective adult communications. Not sure what the answer is but until we all learn to get along and communicate, we will continue to have these issues.
rlockey writes:
in response to stopignorance:
"reference to fighter Mike Tyson and used what she considered stereotypical mockery of the black dialect"
IF he was talking like Mike Tyson it was probably more mockery of the female voice! Mike Tyson sounds like a girl or small child when he talks. Everybody makes fun of Mike's voice and it has nothing to do with his skin color!! Its because he is a large male boxer with a female voice!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I've actually heard Mike Tyson make fun of his higher pitched voice before. Nothing new there.
MDAlerts writes:
in response to rlockey:
"Phyllis Y. Nichols walked out after speaker and businessman Joe Johnson made a reference to fighter Mike Tyson and used what she thought was a stereotypical mockery of the black dialect."
This, to me, states that she got up before he finished his speech (or maybe after but left early all the same). It's ok to get offended but we have to effectively communicate the point if we want anything to change.
No need to ask me to calm down, I'm not excited or riled. I'm just voicing an opinion. I'm sorry if you are offended by my opinion or comments. Please feel free to skip over any further posts I may leave on this subject. That will not offend me in the least.
Enjoy your weekend!
still didn't read anything in the quoted text that said she "stormed" out or "pitched a fit"....but I guess you can infer whatever you like to fit with your opinion of the situation.
You have a great weekend too!
rlockey writes:
in response to MDAlerts:
still didn't read anything in the quoted text that said she "stormed" out or "pitched a fit"....but I guess you can infer whatever you like to fit with your opinion of the situation.
You have a great weekend too!
No inference intended, we just have two different reading comprehension standards. Guess this article could have been written clearer but that's not a usual characteristic of a newspaper article. I appreciate your opinion and thank you for sharing yours with me as well.
red210 writes:
I bet Nichols, has a chip! and more than likely loves to use the word "racist". People that use that word ALOT needs to check them self!!!...
TN_Engineer writes:
My college having a black alumni group, but not a white or hispanic alumni group offends me.
rlockey writes:
in response to TN_Engineer:
My college having a black alumni group, but not a white or hispanic alumni group offends me.
Have you done anything to change this? Would you be an active member if they did?
5_and_15 writes:
I propose a new rule: when making fun of either Mike Tyson or Brittany Spears, you can say whatever you darn well please.
rlockey writes:
When I have the occasion to speak publicly and need a joke or humorous story, I frequently use myself as the subject (believe me, there is plenty of material to chose from). Hard to get offended when the speaker is making fun of himself. This is something a fellow North Carolinian, Andy Griffin, learned a long time before I started doing it.
docholliday1954 writes:
I am offended Cobbins is still breathing!
oldgrouch writes:
There a many cases where a white group of anything would be racist. those of other races wants it all there way.
rlockey writes:
in response to docholliday1954:
I am offended Cobbins is still breathing!
You got me on that one, I share that offense with you...
Sherry writes:
All I can say is "OH, BROTHER"!
Sherry writes:
I'm offended by the word luncheon. Do people really say that word without a smirk?
red210 writes:
in response to docholliday1954:
I am offended Cobbins is still breathing!
LMAO.
docholliday1954 writes:
in response to Sherry:
I'm offended by the word luncheon. Do people really say that word without a smirk?
I saw that word in the grocery store but it said meat right after it!
rlockey writes:
in response to docholliday1954:
I saw that word in the grocery store but it said meat right after it!
And you know what, I'm not sure the "meat" actually is. Now that's offensive on many levels...
docholliday1954 writes:
in response to rlockey:
And you know what, I'm not sure the "meat" actually is. Now that's offensive on many levels...
I guess I'm kinda offended you can only eat it for lunch!
rlockey writes:
in response to docholliday1954:
I guess I'm kinda offended you can only eat it for lunch!
That would be one the the levels...
Now, isn't it a lot funner to be "offended" and be able to talk/laugh about it than to leave a meeting and quit an important position over something someone else said?
Wish we all could just get along like man of us do on this website! Even when we occasionally get on each others nerves, we usually will still continue to talk to each other. Maybe it will be contagious one day.
hockeyham writes:
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EdB writes:
"speaker and businessman Joe Johnson made a reference to fighter Mike Tyson and used what she thought was a stereotypical mockery of the black dialect."
It sounds as if the speaker was simply talking like Mike Tyson and many (?most?) other blacks.
I speak American English with a Tennessee drawl, or so I'm told. I even like Jeff Foxworthy, and other comedians' 'mockery of my dialect'. I can laugh at myself and I don't hate on folks that tell it like they hear it. Why can't this black woman do the same?
Also, why can't this 'black dialect' be used by a white man? Could this lady be ... racist?
Wake up folks...
Sherry writes:
doc, Hi there, You have me laughing. You and the rlock man are too funny!
docholliday1954 writes:
in response to Sherry:
doc, Hi there, You have me laughing. You and the rlock man are too funny!
Hi Sherry ,happy to be of service!
rlockey writes:
in response to Sherry:
doc, Hi there, You have me laughing. You and the rlock man are too funny!
Evening Sherry! Glad we are keeping you amused. With all the heavy articles KNS has had all week, it's fun to have a less than serious one to start a playful rant on again. Please feel free to chime in any time!
EdB writes:
in response to rlockey:
Have you done anything to change this? Would you be an active member if they did?
I doubt that a whites-only group of ANY type could be formed today. Its racist, dontcha know.
There's a Miss Black America pageant, why not a Miss White America? How about a TV network exclusively for whites. Maybe name it WET. White restaurants? White clubs?
Why not?
goldmoon writes:
When I was a young adult, I attended a church that my then husband's parents belonged to. The preacher had attended our wedding, my MIL was his secretary. My maiden name is jewish. The preacher said, verbatum as I have never forgotten this, "There are three kinds of people. Those that do good when you are watching and those that do good when you aren't. They are (the church's denomination). There are those that do bad when you are watching and bad when you aren't. Those are athiests." While looking straight at me he continued, "And there are those that do good when you are watching and bad when you aren't. Those are Jews." I stood up and walked out. To my X's credit, he did too.
I can understand where this woman is coming from, BUT, Rotary is a fabulous international service organization that has done great things for people of all races, colors and creeds (would it be more politically correct to say ethninticities) all over the world. It is in no way a prejudiced organization. She may have been offended, but I agree with other posters, there are better ways to handle it. Instead of leaving this Rotary club, she should have taken it up with the speaker. I was but 19 when I walked out of that church, figured if the preacher felt that way, then the congregation did too. I know better now. You cannot paint everyone with the same wide brush strokes.
I do not know why KNS thought that this was newsworthy, and maybe, without the coverage, she might have slept on it and reversed her opinion. An apology for an offense, perceived or not, can go a long way.
docholliday1954 writes:
in response to EdB:
I doubt that a whites-only group of ANY type could be formed today. Its racist, dontcha know.
There's a Miss Black America pageant, why not a Miss White America? How about a TV network exclusively for whites. Maybe name it WET. White restaurants? White clubs?
Why not?
I do know of one whites only club! K.K.K. but everyone calls you the R word if you are a member!
rlockey writes:
in response to EdB:
I doubt that a whites-only group of ANY type could be formed today. Its racist, dontcha know.
There's a Miss Black America pageant, why not a Miss White America? How about a TV network exclusively for whites. Maybe name it WET. White restaurants? White clubs?
Why not?
Sad but there is a lot of truth to your statement. I think "WET" has been used before (possible in the 80s before rooftop satellites) but I doubt the bible belt would have allowed reception of that one for other reasons.
I've often wondered what would happen is a white man or woman asked to join the NAACP. Wonder if there is actually something in their bylaws that prohibits this from being allowed?
Sherry writes:
Hey doc, I'll bet the rlock says luncheon. What do you think? laughing...
I wonder what word red would use? Never mind. Laughing way too much.
Hey rlock at 5:28, I doubt it. Some people have no sense of humor.
docholliday1954 writes:
in response to Sherry:
Hey doc, I'll bet the rlock says luncheon. What do you think? laughing...
I wonder what word red would use? Never mind. Laughing way too much.
Hey rlock at 5:28, I doubt it. Some people have no sense of humor.
I don't know but he does know more than one level of why luncheon meat is wrong!
rlockey writes:
in response to goldmoon:
When I was a young adult, I attended a church that my then husband's parents belonged to. The preacher had attended our wedding, my MIL was his secretary. My maiden name is jewish. The preacher said, verbatum as I have never forgotten this, "There are three kinds of people. Those that do good when you are watching and those that do good when you aren't. They are (the church's denomination). There are those that do bad when you are watching and bad when you aren't. Those are athiests." While looking straight at me he continued, "And there are those that do good when you are watching and bad when you aren't. Those are Jews." I stood up and walked out. To my X's credit, he did too.
I can understand where this woman is coming from, BUT, Rotary is a fabulous international service organization that has done great things for people of all races, colors and creeds (would it be more politically correct to say ethninticities) all over the world. It is in no way a prejudiced organization. She may have been offended, but I agree with other posters, there are better ways to handle it. Instead of leaving this Rotary club, she should have taken it up with the speaker. I was but 19 when I walked out of that church, figured if the preacher felt that way, then the congregation did too. I know better now. You cannot paint everyone with the same wide brush strokes.
I do not know why KNS thought that this was newsworthy, and maybe, without the coverage, she might have slept on it and reversed her opinion. An apology for an offense, perceived or not, can go a long way.
I still say you and your husband should have asked for a meeting with the preacher and voiced your distain. For the record, I would have had the same feelings that you and you husband (yes I realize he is your X but he wasn't then). Bullies and bigots usually back down is actually confronted. Either that or I'm a lot more intimidating that I like to believe because I have never had anyone beat me up for calming talking to them about things that bother me. Thanks for sharing.
goldmoon writes:
in response to rlockey:
Sad but there is a lot of truth to your statement. I think "WET" has been used before (possible in the 80s before rooftop satellites) but I doubt the bible belt would have allowed reception of that one for other reasons.
I've often wondered what would happen is a white man or woman asked to join the NAACP. Wonder if there is actually something in their bylaws that prohibits this from being allowed?
I agree, I think most whites (caucasions? do they still use that word?) are offended by the double standard of racism. I have had those exact same thoughts, I think I will look up the NAACP and see if whites can join. But I doubt it cause whites aren't supposed to say "colored people" anymore. It is racisist don't ya know. Does anyone know if Knoxville College accepted whites? I always wondered about that. Don't get me wrong, I am not a racist. I just don't like double standards.
rlockey writes:
in response to Sherry:
Hey doc, I'll bet the rlock says luncheon. What do you think? laughing...
I wonder what word red would use? Never mind. Laughing way too much.
Hey rlock at 5:28, I doubt it. Some people have no sense of humor.
Nope, I don't use that word. I have trouble with long words, especially one's describing food of questionable origin.
Yes, I can think of a few with no sense of humor, especially your nemesis who was in rare form this morning, by the way. She really needs to increase her meds. The current level is not working for her.
jonathan#509413 writes:
From the article, it doesn't sound as if Ms. Nichols was offended by anything that Mr. Johnson actually SAID. Instead, it sounds as if she chose to jump to a conclusion that he was making fun of her race due to the way (affected dialect) in which he said it. As others have said, I believe that if Mr. Johnson was discussing Mike Tyson then there is a very good chance that he was simply mocking Tyson's individual voice/dialect. Tyson has a high voice, a bit of a lisp and often seems to go to pains to use big words - such as 'ludicrous' (which comes out sounding something like 'ludicruths'.) Making fun of an INDIVIDUAL who happens to be black does not, necessarily, equate to making fun of an entire race. The issue would really come down to the question of "Was Mr. Johnson making fun of him for being black or simply for being Mike Tyson?"
In his stand-up routine years ago, Damon Wayans (who is, of course, black) made fun of Mike Tyson's voice/dialect. Does that make him a rascist?
Some people ARE ridiculously sensitive and seem to be looking for reasons to be offended. Such individuals are as much a part of the 'race relations' problem as those who spout rascist views.
rlockey writes:
in response to jonathan#509413:
From the article, it doesn't sound as if Ms. Nichols was offended by anything that Mr. Johnson actually SAID. Instead, it sounds as if she chose to jump to a conclusion that he was making fun of her race due to the way (affected dialect) in which he said it. As others have said, I believe that if Mr. Johnson was discussing Mike Tyson then there is a very good chance that he was simply mocking Tyson's individual voice/dialect. Tyson has a high voice, a bit of a lisp and often seems to go to pains to use big words - such as 'ludicrous' (which comes out sounding something like 'ludicruths'.) Making fun of an INDIVIDUAL who happens to be black does not, necessarily, equate to making fun of an entire race. The issue would really come down to the question of "Was Mr. Johnson making fun of him for being black or simply for being Mike Tyson?"
In his stand-up routine years ago, Damon Wayans (who is, of course, black) made fun of Mike Tyson's voice/dialect. Does that make him a rascist?
Some people ARE ridiculously sensitive and seem to be looking for reasons to be offended. Such individuals are as much a part of the 'race relations' problem as those who spout rascist views.
Well said, thanks for your post!
us43137415#376444 writes:
Well, I see Knoxville's ignorant has had access to a computer keyboard again.....
Let's turn the tables.. What if it were a Black Person, who used a REDNECK dialect? How would you feel then?
What if it were a redneck who made a derogatory comment about the Jewish people? How should the Jewish people feel?
What if your child overheard an outright racist comment at school directed at them? How do you
feel?.. Wait, don't answer that, I already know the answer..... You'd drag the news media down to the principal's office and decry to the cameras how that child needs to be disciplined, not to mention the big stink you're planning to raise at the next school board meeting..
Unless you are black, you really don't know how embarrassing the reference could be to other black people.
But oh yeah, I forgot.. this is Knoxville, and you're ignorant.
When will culture and sensitivity FINALLY come to Knoxville?
oldjarhead writes:
I don't see how anyone could be offended by a mike tyson joke! He are one.
